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Zoom Homework Club #19

Michael F (00:02:08):
Oh, and Andrea’s inside already. Hey Andrea. How do I share my screen? Share my screen. Here we go. Is that it? I’ll share that.

Andrea (00:02:20):

Michael F (00:02:21):
How are you doing?

Andrea (00:02:23):
Good. How about yourself?

Michael F (00:02:25):
I am well, yeah, just too much to do. Never enough time kind of stuff, but I’m pretty well. How about you? How are you feeling in terms of time and work and side hustle and life and all that good stuff?

Andrea (00:02:41):
It’s, I’ve been having a pretty quiet holiday so far. I’m feeling better about being able to put products in my store. I just kind of, you feel adding a bit more from it. But it’s pretty dead at the moment with the holidays anyway.

Michael F (00:03:02):
Sorry. You said you feel good or bad about the products in your store. I missed the first part of that sentence.

Andrea (00:03:10):
Getting to my goal of 50 products is looking a lot more doable. Okay, Cool. I just find it harder without the occasional sales to get me motivated.

Michael F (00:03:23):
Yeah, because it’s July and it’s just June and July are tough. Are you, out of curiosity, what made you decide 50 as your goal?

Andrea (00:03:37):
Because that seems to be a commonly referred to number as when things kind of might start to pick up a bit. And a lot of people seem to get 50 products in their store in the first year, so

Michael F (00:03:55):
That’s a nice fun goal to go towards.

Andrea (00:03:57):
Yeah, I thought, well that seems a reasonable goal. Cause initially when you start you think, oh, it won’t take me long to make products. And Then you find out that’s not the case.

Michael F (00:04:08):
Yeah. But one a week, like 50 is one a week,

Andrea (00:04:11):
Right? Yeah. So that’s that.

Michael F (00:04:13):
It’s something, it’s like bite-sized chunk. If I can churn out a product a week, then after a year of hard work, let’s see where it’s at. So I get where that 50 number comes from. It makes sense. Hey, I had a question about that bear. Oh, the length that with Lapse. Yeah. So can you walk me through it? Can you tell me more about that?

Andrea (00:04:42):
They, they’re a little store on TPT. They haven’t got many products, but I think they’re mostly to help TPT sellers.

Michael F (00:04:50):

Andrea (00:04:52):
I think I’ve made it knows computer crediting or something. And he makes products helping teachers generate word searches and puzzles, et cetera, through the use of PowerPoint. For the most part. I think most, but I’ve heard a couple of people mention it in, I think it might have been in R t a Lauren Fulton’s.

Michael F (00:05:28):

Andrea (00:05:29):
Membership thing or one of the Facebook groups. So that’s how I came across it. I’ve only just started trying out the word search creator, which is easy to use. Yeah. I used the product description. I mean, I’ve had a look at that. I haven’t really used it, but I put a link up, kind of let you see easily what products I hadn’t uploaded all three thumbnails to and things like that. Yeah.

Michael F (00:06:05):
So did you buy this product, the editor pro?

Andrea (00:06:08):
Not that one. I didn’t,

Michael F (00:06:11):
But when you buy a product and you get the pdf, what does it let you do? What’s in the pdf? Like a link to the website kind of thing

Andrea (00:06:22):
With the word search creator, it, it gives you a license so that you can go to his website and make word searches for commercial use.

Michael F (00:06:38):
Right. And so you have to go to the website to create the account, but then this has a license

Andrea (00:06:45):
And then you can save it as a PowerPoint file.

Michael F (00:06:54):
So what prevents me, if you shared the PDF that you got in a Facebook forum, would everyone be able to create the option? I’m trying to figure out, cause I find this fascinating how this person is using TPT for their sales mechanism. So how do they, but I didn’t want to buy it because then

Andrea (00:07:21):
I Yeah, sorry, go ahead. I can’t remember, but I suspect I probably had to register the license or something. Yeah,

Michael F (00:07:30):
Yeah. That’s kind cool. I think Kim uses, I, I’ve seen her screen where she uses the product description for making the links,

Andrea (00:07:47):

Michael F (00:07:47):
What I’m jealous of or what not jealous of. But so speaking at this and the very first comment, or at least the most relevant one is Deanna jump, which I think that’s kind of cool. If you had a comment on a product from a name brand, I think that would be, that’s kind of cool.

Andrea (00:08:08):
But this

Michael F (00:08:08):
Person’s been around for a while, so

Andrea (00:08:10):
Yeah, I suspect they do pretty well because I’ve heard several people mention them.

Michael F (00:08:16):
Is it, it’s winter holidays right now in Australia, is that right?

Andrea (00:08:20):

Michael F (00:08:22):
So when does your break go into, when did the kids get out of school? When do the kids go back into school?

Andrea (00:08:29):
I’ve been on break for a week and I have one more week left.

Michael F (00:08:36):
So it’s a two week holiday

Andrea (00:08:40):
For the most part. Some private school kids might have three weeks

Michael F (00:08:45):

Andrea (00:08:45):
On the school.

Michael F (00:08:47):
And then in January, what are your summer holidays?

Andrea (00:08:58):
The kids get about six weeks and the teachers about get about five. Once you factor in professional development before the kids come back

Michael F (00:09:08):
And you have to go back, is that a paid week for the PD professional development?

Andrea (00:09:16):

Michael F (00:09:17):
Okay. Okay, gotcha. So this, I sort of just go through my week and I sort of just chat about things. So I’m always happy to see who pops in. But I had a question for you that I had asked Kim earlier. Oh, it’s the superhero one, but I’m going to ask a different question now. I’m going to ask the superhero one. If you could have any superhero power, what would it be and why? I

Andrea (00:09:54):
Think I was thinking about this one. I was watching that recording and it was a real toss up. I think if I really thought about it, it would be able to go back in time.

Michael F (00:10:10):
Yeah. Okay. So if you had that power, what would you do with it? Why go back in time?

Andrea (00:10:21):
Because it would mean that mistakes could be rectified. It would mean that you would have unlimited time to do whatever you wanted. And so it’s kind of like that one resource that nothing else quite m up for. If you don’t have it.

Michael F (00:10:46):
Yeah, you can’t buy time. It sort of just keeps on ticking away. Hi Kim, we’re talking about this super hero question. Yeah. Okay. So I actually, Plus

Andrea (00:10:58):
It could be incredibly fun. Can you imagine going back to 200, 500, 10,000

Michael F (00:11:07):
Years ago?

Andrea (00:11:09):
Or even see dinosaurs, that would be, It’s

Michael F (00:11:12):
Check things out and then pop back to your own timeline as long as things didn’t get messed up kind of thing.

Andrea (00:11:17):
Even if it went horribly, horribly wrong, it would silly be an adventure.

Michael F (00:11:23):
Yeah. Okay. So I’m, I’m going to change my answer because I think last time I talked about the ability to learn other people’s powers, but I think actually more practically now that I hear your idea, I think the superhero power I would like to have is an undo button in life. When you’re on the computer and you’re like, oh shit, you just delete something. You can just do controls it, undo whatever, and get it back. So just, I could undo the last action that I did and I can keep on undoing it. Like, oh. And so then I could try different things like, oh, I tried this, it didn’t work. Or I said this thing and the person reacted this way. Oh, I’ll just hit that undo button and then just redo that thing. And then if I don’t, the way it worked, just undo button myself.

Andrea (00:12:14):
Imagine you were arguing with someone and you could have the same argument over and over trying different approaches even,

Michael F (00:12:25):

Andrea (00:12:25):
You’d get an appreciate shit, an appreciation, understanding for the breadth of possible outcomes that would’ve been possible in that situation.

Michael F (00:12:39):
All the possible things you could do. And because you have the ability to go through a couple of them can. So do you think that would change the way that you respond? Because that if you’re hotheaded and you say this from doing it so many times that it’s going to have a negative outcome. But exactly that. If you said this, if you keep your cool, then things will work out better. Do you think that’ll actually change you over the time because you’re seeing all the outcomes or you’re go, you’re living through all the outcomes? I

Andrea (00:13:13):
Think it would change you, but it would also have, I think for most people, some kind of constraint. Because let’s say that I was having a really bad’s, say someone was having a really bad day at work. Yeah. Just cause you could go into, get in your car and drive it through a store’s front wall. Even if you could undo undo that day, that still doesn’t necessarily make what you did ethically neutral, I think.

Michael F (00:13:57):
Yeah. Yeah. Oh that’s interesting. And then it’s part of your Yeah. Huh. That’s because you know that you can undo it. So then maybe you would do bad choices, but yeah. Oh, okay.

Andrea (00:14:15):
And you’d still be socialized by the people around you to some degree,

Michael F (00:14:23):
Yeah. Oh, okay. Because I was thinking about just using my undue powers for, you’re right. Oh, this is the whole

Andrea (00:14:32):

Michael F (00:14:32):
Dilemma. Absolute power. Absolute Cause

Andrea (00:14:36):
It’s kind of like what if the only consequence then to your actions is the kind of person you become,

Michael F (00:14:46):
Right? So

Michael F (00:14:50):
Yeah. Huh. Okay. I’m, I’m going to steer the conversation forward cause Just Yeah. Yeah. I hadn’t even considered. Oh that’s good. Because all I thought was like, oh, sometimes you just wish you could undo something, but you’re right. There would be consequences. Okay. So let’s check in. And I know that Andrea, I was going to ask you about your genetic engineering. And Kim, I was going to ask you about your four products for circle time prompts. But the question is something we worked on this past week, how did it go? Something great, something that you’re stuck on and something that you wondered. I don’t know if Andrea or Kim, either of you want to jump in or if you want me to go first, it’s up to you.

Andrea (00:15:41):
Maybe Kim go first. We haven’t heard much from Kim. Yep.

Kim T (00:15:46):
Can you guys hear me?

Michael F (00:15:48):
Yes we can.

Kim T (00:15:49):
Okay. Sorry. The printer is going off in the background.

Michael F (00:15:53):
I can’t hear the printer at all.

Kim T (00:15:54):
Okay, well that’s good. Yeah, I got one of my back to school products done. So it’s uploaded. I just need to get the preview and product photography done. So yeah. Can

Michael F (00:16:11):
I ask you about that?

Kim T (00:16:13):
Yeah, of course. Do

Michael F (00:16:14):
You do your own product photography or what does that mean when you say get the product photography done?

Kim T (00:16:18):
Yeah, I do my own. It’s not the 100 the best, but it’s still looks better than the clip art

Michael F (00:16:27):
Then not having it. And it’s good enough for now.

Kim T (00:16:29):

Michael F (00:16:30):
Yeah. Okay, cool. What was an obstacle that you faced this week?

Kim T (00:16:38):
I feel like I say the same thing every week, but time.

Michael F (00:16:41):

Kim T (00:16:42):

Michael F (00:16:42):
No energy this week. And I love hearing you say that because that’s where I’m stuck to and it’s just sort of that perspective that time is the thing that all of us get stuck on. Yeah. Did you notice or wonder about anything?

Kim T (00:17:02):
I did not actually.

Michael F (00:17:05):
Can I ask you a question then? Yeah, of course. What might make like, cause so for me, I feel constantly stressed out that I have too much to do and not enough time to do it. And so I wonder, in your situation, I wonder if, I wonder how you could change your perspective. So that time, not having enough time wasn’t a big deal. What would need to happen for you to feel that way?

Kim T (00:17:42):
I guess, I don’t know.

Michael F (00:17:46):
I’m asking to steal your answer to see if it would apply to my life. Yeah. Not, but I’m also asking you Cause I think

Kim T (00:17:54):
That wondering

Michael F (00:17:55):
Skill is good, but I think, yeah, so for me, I constantly feel stressed out, so maybe I’ll share what I’m thinking and then maybe that’ll help you piggyback or think of something. So I feel constantly stressed out that, oh shit, I, or Oh shoot, I didn’t get a chance to, now that I’m starting to outsource stuff to different places, didn’t outsourcing stuff is fun because then you feel like, oh, I’m giving someone else to do work in exchange for money. But then you still have to check the work or build systems to make sure it’s there. So then I feel like because I haven’t carved out time to actually check the work or spend time on all the things that I outsource, it means that it doesn’t get done as fast as I’d like. And so then at eight o’clock at night old me 10 years ago, it would’ve been, okay, let’s just get this done because it’s got to get done.

Michael F (00:18:49):
But currently is like, no, I know if I stay up an hour or, and it becomes 11, I’m, I’m going to pay for it the next day. I’m just going to be grumpy. My mental health’s not going to be great. And then it’s just going to snowball, which is kind of, this week was just that kind of week where I stayed up late on a couple of projects and then I didn’t get to do what I normally do to de-stress. And then, yeah. So I guess my question is what would you do in my situation if you know that you have to do this, but you’re also choosing not to do it because there are other more important things to do or in your life? What would make not doing things? I

Kim T (00:19:32):
Think the small things to not fret well. I think of everything. I didn’t get a preview up that made me kind of angry. Cause I thought, not angry, angry, but

Michael F (00:19:44):

Kim T (00:19:45):
I thought I was like, oh, we’re going to get this whole product up. Completely finished all the steps and it still didn’t happen. So I don’t know. Yeah.

Michael F (00:19:57):
Andrew, did you have any thoughts on that? How do you not stress out about all the things that you’re not doing either for yourself or in my situation where I’m at the end of the day and I know I’ve got to reply to VAs, but I don’t, and then it, I feel bad because payment and work and I’m the weakest link in the chain. Or you can say Pass a bit of a

Andrea (00:20:29):
Two party answer. For me, I did work on that genetic geo engineering resource, but not very much. But it doesn’t bother me because I really got on a roll starting this new product line and I added 11 resources to my storage during June. So because I’ve made significant inroads in another area, that doesn’t bother me because I’ve still made, I can still point something and go like, yay, I diddled that and that’s good and it’s okay. So I have a concrete thing that having putting products in my store is not so mucking around with the fonts for a week. It’s a more,

Michael F (00:21:22):
It’s moving the needle

Andrea (00:21:23):
Useful thing.

Michael F (00:21:24):
Yeah. Yeah.

Andrea (00:21:25):

Michael F (00:21:26):
It gets that social proof. You have more products it seems like people want to buy. Yeah. And I guess

Andrea (00:21:33):
I probably don’t do this, but what I probably should do when it comes to prioritizing and which one of these is future Andrea, going to be pissed I didn’t do is probably, oh, the question to,

Michael F (00:21:52):
That’s interesting. Yeah.

Andrea (00:21:54):
Ask Myself, What

Michael F (00:21:55):
Would future me be pissed at because I didn’t do that. And then do that because you don’t want to make future. You pissed. Yeah. Yeah. That’s interesting. Do you want to share how your week went or do you want me to jump in?

Andrea (00:22:16):
I might mention something I wondered about.

Michael F (00:22:20):

Andrea (00:22:22):
If I’m in my store and I go to add a new product and I throw something in there, but my product description is really half-assed, so I don’t want to make it active yet. Will that kind of little draft product, will the little internet crawler things that find things for search, learn about my product even though it’s not active? Or does it need to be active for the little internet, internet crawlers to find my resource? Are you

Michael F (00:22:58):
Talking about internet crawlers as in TPT or are you talking about internet crawlers? As in Google?

Andrea (00:23:04):
As in Google.

Michael F (00:23:06):
Google won’t find anything that doesn’t not visible. So because a draft isn’t published, Google can’t crawl it. And to piggyback on that, even TPT. So in my experience, what I’ve noticed, because I’m paying attention to my chat G P T stuff, is when I change the product description, I find that has an impact on the ranking within an hour. But sales or comments or views like that, I find that that doesn’t have an impact on my ranking until the next day. So I think when you publish a product, I think TPT searches algorithm is based on the words in your product description and the words in your product title to find whatever. And then the other metrics, sales and whatever, that only gets updated once a day. Does that answer your question about the ranking?

Andrea (00:24:03):
Yeah, that’s good to know.

Michael F (00:24:05):
Okay. So I like what you did there. I how you chose the answers that you wanted to focus on. Was there anything else that you wanted to share with your check-in before I go in? Or are you okay?

Andrea (00:24:18):
I didn’t really have an obstacle. Once I identified the shiny object of the week, then I just didn’t really think about it after that. So I

Michael F (00:24:28):
Love that when you wrote that post. So for those of you who are watching, yeah, so Andrea had this post where she said, oh, the shiny object I successfully dodged was the back to school stuff. But I love that you just said that once you acknowledge that you dodged it, you weren’t thinking about it at all. I find my brain sort of constantly double checks or unless I say, okay, I’m going to work on it here. But yeah, that’s kind of cool.

Andrea (00:24:59):
Yeah, I think I might try and identify it in the future as well because I don’t know, writing it down seemed to help

Michael F (00:25:09):
It. Can I ask you a question about that? Was it because you knew you were going to work on back to school later on? So did you make in your head say, okay, no, I’m going to work on that in July or in August? Or was it just that you said, oh yeah, that’s a shiny object and that enough was alone to, or that enough alone was enough to let your brain stop thinking about it?

Andrea (00:25:33):
I never really planned on making back to school stuff, but

Michael F (00:25:37):

Andrea (00:25:38):
I think because of YouTube, I know other people work on back to school stuff. At this stage, I think it was mostly because I don’t have any seasonal products. So it was hard to kind of judge, am I missing out on an opportunity here? And and kind of making that choice when you’d hard to evaluate what you choose in between was the problem I think. Yeah.

Michael F (00:26:10):
And plus experience will be time, maybe five years, five years in the future, Andrew will look back and say, no, back to school is the way to go. And what was I thinking? Because you don’t know what you don’t know, but you’re right. Yeah. I admire that you could dodge dodge the shiny objects. So I’m going to share what I worked on and I thought it shared on my screen. I think my screen is showing up, is that right?

Kim T (00:26:39):
Yep. Yeah,

Michael F (00:26:39):
There we go. So I worked on my ChatGPT lesson plan and what I actually wanted to do was I just wanted to log in to see, so I posted it and then I sort of left it because life got busy and then I posted something else because it had to do with new business development. I had a colleague who was chatting with someone else who was sort of a maven. A maven in the sense that they have a lot of connections. And so maybe if I created something to share with that person, maybe that person would share it with a bunch of people. And so I just saw that as an opportunity. So what I wanted to look at right now was if anyone actually has looked at this page. So that’s where I’m kind of curious. So I post on WordPress, the hardest thing about WordPress is that you feel like you post in like, oh, no one ever looks at my stuff.

Michael F (00:27:38):
Which is true, but sometimes it takes time. It’s kind of going to the gym. Your current physical stay state is a reflection of the choices you made months ago in terms of what you ate and what you did. And nothing is loading up. Oh, all right. Well that’s fantastic. So I don’t actually know why I, you’re not loading. So I was curious to see whether or not there was any traffic in here, but it’s not loading up right now. Oh, maybe Google Analytics changed because it’s July 1st. So I posted this, which I was proud about, and then I submitted it to Google, which I was proud about. And then to piggyback on this, so someone else was talking about chat, G P T, and they were excited about how they were going to use it, and I had some points that I think they maybe hadn’t considered.

Michael F (00:28:29):
So then I wrote this post about why I think ChatGPT p t is biased and it’s like ridiculously long. But in here I had a conversation with ChatGPT Chi PT because I’m getting it to help me write an article about ChatGPT pt, which lots of people do. But the article is about how I was basically asking ChatGPT Chi PT for help on how to visualize, because I’m teaching visualization as the reading strategy, and then I came up with a bunch of stuff. So I think what I’m going to do is include this, and then eventually my goal success story is thinking about, oh, I got this up and then I’m hoping to see if there’s traffic in sales. But the obstacle is the there’s never enough time because I know I want to produce this as a handout and then as a reading strategy lesson.

Michael F (00:29:21):
And I know that if I was only focusing on that, I could do that. But the reality is I don’t have enough time. So I guess I’m happy enough that I got this incredibly long content up, and this is from ChatGPT and my conversations with ChatGPT. So I don’t think this question or this content would be on Google in this format. And it’s piggybacking on some other things that are developing in my field about stereotypes and Christine Sinclair and whether or not Google and ChatGPT are bias. So I think in the long run, this helps position me as a growing expert, like, oh, he’s an authority. He’s talking about ChatGPT p t. And when I look at the kinds of questions that he’s asking ChatGPT P t, yeah, this seems pretty good. I wonder what else he has. So that’s sort of my goal with this and my long-term goal with this post with the ChatGPT, and I’ll end here hopefully, oh no, it won’t put the statistics because it’s a problem.

Michael F (00:30:26):
But I have another post that I wrote about first day back to school or hello, hello, getting to Know You. Bingo. So I rank on that and that was a small product, but I rank really well on that and that gets me a lot of traffic. And so now I’m going to update that product and have ChatGPT p t questions and sort of keep on building this snowball so that when teachers use that freebie, then they might ask about chat G B T and the chat G B T resource will be like, Hey, if you like this handout, you might want this resource. And so actually I’m going to write that down. That’s really good. So getting to know you, I need to update that, getting to know you with chat G B T, because that would actually be really well with Back to School.

Michael F (00:31:12):
So long story short, success story was getting that content up. Obstacle is the time thing. And something that I’m wondering about, which maybe the two of you can help me with is, so I’m actually okay with that idea about saying, okay, I’m going to work on this later. Or you know what? I didn’t get a chance to respond to my VAs, but I’m okay with that because I got a good chunk of work done with new business development or whatever. But then I never changed the system. And because the system doesn’t change and because the VA stuff is always at the end of the day, it never happens. It rarely happens. So I guess my question for the two of you that I’m looking for help with is do you ever, if you know that something keeps on, it doesn’t happen, how often do you check in and then say, okay, well this has got to start to happen, so I need to do it, so I’m going to make time in my schedule. How often do you rejig your schedule and what you do?

Kim T (00:32:16):
So I’m trying to get back in the habit of it. I kind of got off with things going on in life. But normally I have a Sunday check-in at five o’clock. I do a check-in of what I have to get done for the week, what needs to be done, whatever I can plan for that hour is whatever that I’m going to plan and that’s what I’m going to do that week. And then I have a 10 minute check in every day of, oh, this didn’t work, I didn’t finish this yet. So kind of change it up.

Michael F (00:32:49):
Can I ask how you actually do that? Do you write it on a whiteboard or a piece of paper? And how do you keep track of what you’re doing and what you’re not doing?

Kim T (00:32:58):
So I have Google Keep is what I kind of like right now. I keep bouncing back between that and trying to change the Airtable, but I’ll write out, I have on my Google Keep, I have each day written out. And then I have a checklist for just for school, just for TPT, just for the blog stuff, just for Instagram, that kind of social media stuff. So

Michael F (00:33:26):
It’s like a checklist.

Kim T (00:33:27):
It’s a checklist. And then I’ll pull off of those thing, those things to do. I’ll think of let’s say, oh, I really want to finish this tracing thing, and then I have all the steps written down that I need to finish with that. So I’ll take that over to Monday or I’ll take that over to Tuesday.

Michael F (00:33:48):
That’s fascinating. And then because you’re sort of figuring out what you have to do, are you able to copy and repeat your system or your card? Do you actually do that?

Kim T (00:34:02):
I just copy it and paste it

Michael F (00:34:05):
And then it just shows up as a whole bunch of things without, as a fresh checklist kind of thing?

Kim T (00:34:11):
No, I just have to copy each line of it. It doesn’t pop up. That would be too nice. You can copy the month. You can copy the list. So say I have July to-do list, so I can copy that and then just change it to June if I need to.

Michael F (00:34:29):
So I’ve never used Google Keep, but I’ve used similar programs. So this is kind of what it looks like that, or are you comfortable sharing your screen? I don’t. Or either way. Can you talk about No. So is it, Sorry. Oh, I don’t even know if I have to. I always have to unlock it Here. All

Kim T (00:34:50):
Participants. There you

Michael F (00:34:52):

Kim T (00:34:58):
Come on. And then of course it not be under. I don’t think I can get on it fast. No Worries. Sorry, My

Michael F (00:35:17):
Brain was in coffee mode. It was like, oh, I like coffee. This is nice. As you were working the way there. I guess my question is, what I’m trying to figure out is do you mostly reuse the keeps a monthly checklist to do, or is it like you have one for, okay, when I do, I put the product description and then I do the cover. Do you have a checklist like that for a product or is it mostly, oh, nope, this is what I need to do in September. I’ve got to be back to school or whatever.

Kim T (00:35:48):
Yeah, mostly it’s just what I have to do. Ins say September. Why is isn’t logging into that one account? Sorry, I have 500 different Google accounts and it

Michael F (00:36:01):
That’s Okay.

Kim T (00:36:02):
One, well, it’s on my phone, but Yeah,

Michael F (00:36:06):
I have a million. Yes, I feel your page. Andrea, do you have a check-in process or either can you chat about how, what to do or organize or decide what to do or Alternatively in my situation where I’m not getting my VA stuff done, but I never feel like it’s important enough for me to move it on top of the other things, how do you structure this, what you’re going to do, I guess, if that makes sense.

Andrea (00:36:46):
I do whatever I feel like. Yeah, because I kind of need that momentum. So I don’t have a routine. I do use Trello because having things visually helps and then I have checklists for things. It’s my little tick boxes have gotten a bit out of control. Can I try and show you my screen? I’ve never tried that.

Michael F (00:37:14):
Yeah. Do you want to try,

Kim T (00:37:17):
I would love to know how you use Trello because I think I tried it for 2.2 seconds.

Michael F (00:37:23):
Oh really? I use Trello

Kim T (00:37:26):

Michael F (00:37:26):
Lot for the first two years of my TPT stuff, I use something else now. But I liked it because it was free and none of their paid features, I didn’t need any of their features. So I was able to live on the free account forever. I think we’re looking at Andrea screen, is that right? Yeah.

Andrea (00:37:45):
So I’ve got little cards for my different products and you can give them labels and I’ve got too many, so it’s going to look really nuts, but just give me a second.

Michael F (00:38:00):
Do you find the labels help you having

Andrea (00:38:02):
I do, because if I don’t look at it for a long time, I can remember where I’m up to. So have little tick boxes about, did I add the contents page? The thank you, the answers? Yeah. Oh,

Michael F (00:38:16):
Did proof use Free as, Yeah,

Andrea (00:38:19):
So there’s like a process of things I want to do, and this just kind of helps me keep track of where I’m up to.

Michael F (00:38:30):
Oh, that is so good. And then as you things to your process, just add them as labels and then they’ll always be available and you’ve put the labels in the order of things need to be done. Is that what you’ve done here?

Andrea (00:38:43):
And I’ll, let me just find something that I’ve updated recently. Where would I have put it? But you can also, so sorry. In a brain freeze at the moment. Yeah, no worries. But anyway, you can also use it to keep track of things. So if I go to open card, then I can add down where it’s good activity. On this day, I change the title from this to this.

Michael F (00:39:16):

Andrea (00:39:17):
Or on this date. Here’s my old description, here’s my new one. You could add attachments. I assume Mike could add the thumbnails up there as well if I really wanted.

Michael F (00:39:30):

Andrea (00:39:31):
So yeah, that’s how I use Trello.

Michael F (00:39:37):
And I had, wow, this is an awesome screen because then I’m guessing you also physically move the cards. I see you have a to-do and card. Yeah, I can Move.

Andrea (00:39:47):
Whoops. I can move a card from my list, my product to my done column.

Michael F (00:39:57):
Yeah. Yeah. Wow, that’s awesome. I use when, back in the day when I was using Trello, I used a program called, there’s a Time camp to keep track of how long I was working on each card to sort of give me an idea. So for the longest time I was using Trello and Time camp for the task management stuff. And then I since switched over to Zoho. But yeah, that’s very cool. Kim, I wasn’t sure whether you wanted to share your screen or if you’re okay with just sort of

Kim T (00:40:29):
Yeah, I finally got it. You got it? Okay.

Michael F (00:40:33):
Do you want to share your screen?

Kim T (00:40:35):
Yeah. 80 years later. Oh, Well the friend would show up

Michael F (00:40:45):

Kim T (00:40:47):
I know. I’m not a fan of it right now. Okay. Can you guys Okay?

Michael F (00:40:51):
Yes. Okay. Yeah.

Kim T (00:40:53):
So, well, it doesn’t pop up this way on my phone, but, so the plan thing is for school Monday I do top three for each day. That’s what has to get done. And then I can work on anything else. And then I have it kind of broken down from the morning, this is what I’m going to work on. And then during our nap time, that’s our prep time, that’s what I want to work on during school, that kind of stuff. Or the weekend I need to do this. So each day.

Michael F (00:41:26):
And then are you able to duplicate a cart? For example, that coffee one that you have down there, that’s blue, which has a bunch things checked off, are you able to copy that? And then will it copy it with Fresh as a fresh checklist or,

Kim T (00:41:40):
So I can hit down here, I can make, what is it? Make a copy. A copy, and then the copy, copy it should have popped up there

Michael F (00:41:57):
And there it is. And then you have to go and uncheck them all. Is that what you have to do?

Kim T (00:42:01):
Yeah. Well there’s a button that says Uncheck.

Michael F (00:42:06):

Kim T (00:42:06):
Yeah. And then you can label each one, that kind of stuff. And then I have a daily to-do list, monthly to-do list. This is one that’s April, that kind of stuff.

Michael F (00:42:19):
Both of you are reminding me that when I chat with other business people or business coaches, they’re like, yeah, it’s all about systems. Just developing those systems and then eventually expanding because you have systems and then you can share that with other people. So I wonder, not at this stage of the game, but later on when you get to this stage of the game where it’s worth it to buy time, I don’t have time to do this, so I’m, I’m going to pay someone else to do it because that’s worth my time. But then you just have the Trello card or the checklists already there, and then you can outsource parts of that. Yeah, that’s fascinating. Yeah. Okay.

Andrea (00:42:58):
I, I’m not sure what you’re doing with your VA people, but I think if I was wanting to hire out, I’d probably aim to do something like write a, a standing operate operating procedure for some small part of the business once a fortnight. So it’s not too much to do, but it’ll build on itself. So that way if you get a new person on Fiber, because you said they’re not consistent all the time, they come and go, well then you can just go here. And I know that some people, even then after they make their little procedure, they’ll then videotape themselves going through it on their screen. Here is me making a cover, narrating what they’re doing the whole time. So you can just go here, do this. Here’s the video, here’s a procedure off you. Go email me if you still have questions.

Michael F (00:43:58):

Andrea (00:43:59):
So That’s what I would do.

Michael F (00:44:02):
That’s exactly it. And also that was the idea that was in the business course video there. There’s a really good book, the Emith Revisited about how entrepreneurs, it’s fine, you get in because you think you’re going to make lesson plans, but really if you want to be successful, it’s about learning how to market and run your business. And his whole per point, Michael Gerber’s point is about how well, instead of working the business and creating the content, you’ve got to work on your business, which is developing, writing down what you do as you create the content. So then that way you can share that standard operating procedures. So I have that. I, I’ve started to do this, oh, this is the wrong one, but where I have actually, this is a really bad one, but where I talked about, Hey, do this, do this, do this, do this. And then what I use is I use Loom, and I love Loom. I love it so much. I, I have a paid account for it. But basically where I’ll give on the Loom tutorials of what I’m doing, and I’ll record the screen and Loom is what I use for, sometimes I’ll get feedback from a question about a resource, and then I’ll just, I’ll email the Loom video about how to fix it

Andrea (00:45:31):
Or what is Loom, or

Michael F (00:45:33):

Andrea (00:45:33):
What is Loom?

Michael F (00:45:35):
Yeah, loom is, let me log out. So Loom is basically a screen recording app that shows your picture and it transcribes it. So basically the point of Loom is rather than writing out an email or having meetings, just basically talk about whatever it is so I can, because I can’t sit beside the teacher in the classroom and say, yeah, you just got to click here, here, here. I basically do that on my screen. Here’s what I think you like, oh yeah, just click here, download here and whatever. And then I just send it as a link and then they can watch the link as a five minute video and it walks in through whatever they need to do. So I think, yeah, I must pay 1250 a month. That’s probably what I do. I think there’s a free version for educators and there’s like a light version with something, something, something, something. But basically, yeah, so I’m basically just rather than recording a video and then posting it on YouTube as a private link or whatever, loom is the easiest way I’ve found to just record a screen tutorial or answer a question or show a fiber, a fiber va, what I’m looking for. And yeah, I love it. I love it to the point where I use it now with everything to answer all my questions or it’s just in person. I don’t know if I answered your question, Andrea, was there anything else? No,

Andrea (00:47:11):
That explained it.

Michael F (00:47:13):
Yeah. So my question for us, and I’m asking questions basically I think based on what I think I need to do, because I think this is probably something that we all need to, so my question was to take a second, the three of us now in our own computers to look at either your bestselling product or a product that you’re working on, but I would argue bestselling product because it’s a proven winner, so therefore people are going to buy it. Therefore, if you either increase page views or increase your conversion rate, you’re going to make sales as opposed to with a new product, which is untested. So my question for everyone here is, if you were to look at your bestselling product, do you need more page views or better conversion rate to make more sales? And this is pig back off the idea of new business development.

Michael F (00:48:11):
So I was going to look at mine, but I invite you on your computers to check out your dashboards because I actually haven’t done this in a while. So I actually, I think it’s under product description. No, I’m going to do it from here. Going to, how will I do this? I will do this for a specific product and if I go buy earnings for all time, and if I go buy my top selling product, which is this reading bundle, all right, so if I look at this reading bundle right now, and either you can either look at your screen or you can do either in your story, you can help me with mine. So this is my top selling product and I think, wow, I’ve made $19,000. Okay. So if I look at conversions, then my conversion rate in the beginning was oh, 15% conversion rate. But then over time my conversion rate’s like 1.8%. And I think probably you’re going to say that’s horrible because a 10% conversion rate I think is the popular number to give. If I look at page views, I have a good chunk of page views, but it hasn’t really changed over time. That’s interesting. And if I look at units sold, it probably matches my page views. Preview video plays none. May. Is there a way to see how many previews? I thought there was a way to,

Kim T (00:49:38):
I thought those were off. Well, according to people, those are off for a long time

Michael F (00:49:45):
To be able to look at the preview data.

Kim T (00:49:49):
It, I’m guessing it’s under the preview video plays, but I’m not seeing the previews, just regular

Michael F (00:49:55):

Andrea (00:49:57):
Statistics tells you how many previews over time, but I don’t think you

Michael F (00:50:03):
Can still

Andrea (00:50:04):
In a dashboard.

Michael F (00:50:06):
Product statistics, you’re right, if I download this right, I never look at it from here. Reading bundle, mega bundle reading comprehension. I don’t even know how to, let’s start earnings. Will that do it? Hello? My computer. No, I don’t want, oh, there we go. So reading con. So activity, yeah, so here we go. Product previews. So you’re right. Wouldn’t, so this is interesting, but the problem I have with this data is it’s over, this is the lifespan of the product, so I don’t actually know whether it’s getting better or better or worse. Worse from here and then product preview. Oh, that’s fascinating. Okay. S So then I wonder how many of these became the sales of that product?

Michael F (00:51:14):
So then I would guess for me, if my conversion rate is so low on this reading comprehension strategies product, then I think the page views are good. What I need to do is improve the conversion rate. But the problem I have with the example I just gave us is my page views are so high because I run ads I think. And so because I run ads, people click on it and then they don’t necessarily buy as opposed to people finding it on search on TPT search. But on the other side, the TPT search, because people are viewing it, I know that page views are a ranking factor for TPT. So then the more page views I have, the higher it goes. So I guess I, my I would need to do is I would have to figure out the problem isn’t page views for this resource. The problem for me is conversion rate. So if the problem for me is conversion rate, then I need to work on product description or product cover or things like that. Yeah, go ahead.

Andrea (00:52:35):
Do you have a email list so that you can send warm traffic to your store?

Michael F (00:52:42):
That’s a good question.

Andrea (00:52:42):
Particular Products,

Michael F (00:52:45):
The long, long-term success plan would be the email list. And I never put it at the top of my to-do list because time. And I feel like my website is my bigger game plan right now to rank. So rank on the website and then rank, I think I had looked and I have about a 10% conversion rate from my edgy circles website. And that’ll, that’s underestimated. It’ll be higher because TPT doesn’t capture all of the traffic, whereas my email list is so small that I know I need to build it. So I think in the long range, in the long plan, I think my email list is the plan, but my current plan is just to get my Educircles site large enough. So that’s my strategy. Does that answer your question?

Andrea (00:53:36):
Yeah. Instead or where you’re

Michael F (00:53:37):
Going with that, Could

Andrea (00:53:39):
You try getting the readers of your Edgy circle site to subscribe to your email list?

Michael F (00:53:46):
Yes, I do try that. I could improve the conversion rate of my website with popups and things like that. It hasn’t been a priority for me because right now TPT is my side hustle. And so I know for my TPT side hustle, I would rather spend the time trying to come up with the chat G P T resource or the back to school stuff because I think that’ll lead to more sales than the email list. I love how you’re asking me these questions because it’s forcing me to think about why I’m doing what I’m doing.

Andrea (00:54:23):
Yeah. Have you tried collaborating with other stores, for example? Yeah, someone’s talking in Facebook group based, set up a group of people together and did say a week of freebies. And that way the people who signed up to the email list got seven freebies, but then each seller only had to make one freebie. So they’re kind of piggybacking off each other’s work. Yeah. Have you thought about doing something like that?

Michael F (00:54:58):
Yeah, that’s, I’ve heard of that idea. And I think for me, the reason why I’m not going in that direction, the reason why I put it in the shiny object box was because that would be working towards cultivating my email list. But I think my email list would be more effect most effective if I had regular constant updates, which is what I hear the internet saying across different niches. And I feel like I don’t have time. I’m not investing the time in that because I’m investing time in my main hustle. So if I just focus on my TPT stuff, the reason why it hasn’t bumped up to the top is because I know in September I’ll, if I go to the last September, so I’ll have a good chunk of sales in September, September, August tends to be my top selling months because it’s back to school and because I can get a lot more page traffic if I put back to school in my learning skills products.

Michael F (00:56:03):
So I think that’s a better use of my time than the email strategy. But you’re right. Yeah, I have heard of people doing that there, but my core says, I’m listening to Dan Meredith talk about his book. He has a book called How to Be Fucking Awesome. He swears a lot, but he talks about how when he goes to events or whatever to network, he doesn’t go to TPT seller groups. So he doesn’t go to seller groups, he goes to where the fish are, and in his case, the fish are whatever he’s selling gym memberships or whatever. So then I wonder if my time wouldn’t be better spent going to a Facebook group with teachers who are talking about social emotional learning and then just building up my conversation in there, my authority as an s e l resource creator, and then sharing freebies as blog posts with a blog post with a bunch of stuff as opposed to going to TPT seller route. So my question for you, Andrea, if I flip it back to you, in those places where you’re chatting with people who are talking about the email where a bunch of TPT sellers get together and they create that email list, how does that experience for them convert versus when they go into a Facebook group for their subject math or science or whatever and then share a freebie?

Andrea (00:57:29):
The impression I got was that they still do the freebies, but it might not be as useful. I heard someone mention that they got a thousand additional people to the email list by doing something like I mentioned earlier with the kind of freebie a week collaborative thing.

Michael F (00:57:51):
So my follow up question is, a thousand people who aren’t your target audience are just numbers. Do you know what I mean? Not that I’m saying that in this person, in this case it was, but I remember giving free TPT gift cards for resources and then having kindergarten teachers sign up and then they’re not my, so if I had a thousand kindergarten teachers, they don’t really help me sell, if that makes sense. Yeah.

Andrea (00:58:24):
Well I think probably at least some of them would because they’d want the freebie, but they also go into it expecting that they are going to get people who are going to unsubscribe. And that’s okay. That’s a good thing because then it means that the people who stay are there because they want to be like,

Michael F (00:58:47):

Andrea (00:58:48):
They don’t get a hundred thousand people sign up and expecting those thousand people not to unsubscribe or to not call that email list in six months because some of them aren’t opening emails.

Michael F (00:59:05):
Yeah. Yeah. So now I wonder, I need to build in a system where once a quarter I look at my strategy and say, okay, do I need to bump the email strategy up higher on my list? Yeah. Yeah. That’s food for thought. Kim, what’s your experience with email lists or what have you heard?

Kim T (00:59:31):
I literally have just started it this year and I think I have two people. So

Michael F (00:59:38):
Nice is one of them to test the account. Yeah.

Kim T (00:59:42):
One is the account and then one is a random person, so I have to send out the emails.

Michael F (00:59:49):
And that’s the tricky part of anything, whether you start a website or email list, it’s slow at the beginning and then you, why bother? It’s not like you have a million followers where

Kim T (01:00:00):
Where it gets you

Michael F (01:00:00):
Excited, but that’s the daily grind. Going to the gym at the beginning is really tough, but after a couple years it gets easier. Yeah, that’s interesting. So I guess my question for the two of you is, if you look at your dashboard at your top selling, at your top selling product, is the issue that you don’t have enough page views or is the issue that you don’t have a high enough conversion rate?

Andrea (01:00:27):
It’s generally that I don’t have enough page views.

Michael F (01:00:30):
Yeah. Okay. So then if it’s the page view issue, I guess my follow up question is how do you get more page views?

Andrea (01:00:42):
I could start an email list and try marketing, but at this stage I don’t think it’s worth it because I think it’s probably more time effective to make more products and then get good at SEO

Michael F (01:01:01):
Marketing As in P pt seo or what do you mean by seo?

Andrea (01:01:05):
Like having keywords, my product descriptions and titles and things like that.

Michael F (01:01:12):
Yeah, I think So too. Cause then it’s also

Andrea (01:01:15):
Kind of passive and it’ll continue working away even if I get sick and need to take a break. Whereas people who have email lists sends do that all the time. And so I’d probably rather start a blog first before an email list because that just suits my personality better. But I, I don’t know if you’ve seen the data, but someone did a survey on TPT sellers and they had a thousand sponsors and it’s, it’s a really interesting survey that they did. But when I look at some of the slides, to me the biggest pre predictors of a decent income are number of products in the store and hours worked. And I don’t think it’s going to be worth my time marketing until I have at least a hundred products in my store. Cause can I

Michael F (01:02:25):
Ask you what hours worked means That was the TPT seller saying how many hours they worked per week? I

Andrea (01:02:33):
Think it’s what they surveyed, but I think it’s probably more might of cumulative hours worked on the store, which they don’t show. Because if you look at some of the YouTube sellers,

Michael F (01:02:51):

Andrea (01:02:51):
Ones that seem to make a lot of money quickly to me seem to be the ones that put in heaps of products within their first year. They’re either machines, Becca Davis or Rolling Acres education, I can’t remember. She might not be in the classroom full time. I can’t remember. But a lot of them have a lot of products in that first year, and that’s why I think they do so well. Whereas if you look at some of the stores where I have 30 products, then they get, and I got $30, so I want to focus on making products at the moment rather than marketing. I

Michael F (01:03:35):
Have so many things to challenge

Andrea (01:03:38):

Michael F (01:03:38):
The gently challenge what she just said, but we’re running out of time. But the thought I have, Becca Davis is a music teacher. Is that right?

Andrea (01:03:50):

Kim T (01:03:50):

Michael F (01:03:51):
I think that’s a niche. I think

Kim T (01:03:57):
She got in there kind of first too.

Michael F (01:03:59):
Yeah. So because I could have a thousand spammy products, I, I’ve heard about TPT Seller who create alphabet resources and then each letter’s a separate product. I could have a thousand products and they all look like crap, then I don’t think anyone’s going to buy it. I think I haven’t actually seen Becca’s resources, but I wonder if I’m a music teacher and I’m looking for something specific and Becca produces that, I feel like that’s a very specific growth area, but I don’t actually know what she sells. And the other thing That I, you think very specific products, sorry.

Kim T (01:04:47):
No, no, go Ahead. Rest. So you would not do a one unit on a quarter rest, that kind of stuff,

Michael F (01:04:56):
But it’s specific to what she’s selling, what she uses or what she makes for her classroom. That’s right.

Kim T (01:05:01):
Is that

Michael F (01:05:01):
Right Cam? Yeah.

Michael F (01:05:03):
So that’s what I think the success for her, from the brief stuff that I’ve seen. I thought I had seen that she started her blog first and then she got, yeah, okay. Yeah. So this is the other point that I wanted to gently challenge you on Andrea, which is I think you need to build yourself as the moment you publish a website, it’s going to take a couple of months for Google that to not think you’re spam before even lists you, because when I publish websites and then after a while Google search consoles send out, Hey, you’ve got five clicks. But at the beginning there’s nothing. And then it starts to come in. So the quicker you start your website, the faster you get past that, the holding period in Google. But more accurately you can see if people are finding your website, because I’m going to guess Becca wrote about her music stuff and she got people and she knew that people were interested in this stuff and then she started selling products.

Michael F (01:06:09):
And then the people that she already had in her email list or visiting her website mean she knew that there was a market. She tested that idea out. So that’s where I think creating the reason, I love that you have the 50 goal. I wouldn’t change that at all. Cause that’s like a regular, you’re chipping away, but my challenge to you would be to write a blog post once a month and then, because that over time helps to build you as the authority for your niche. I don’t know if you have any thoughts on that, Andrea? Yeah,

Andrea (01:06:40):
I have thought about a blog once a month, but I think also, and I wouldn’t say no to that once I kind of had somewhere between a 50 and a hundred products. I think also the more products that you’ve made, you get a better idea of what people want as well. And then it’s like, it’s always going to be a little bit hit and miss, but you can make a more educated guess as to if I make this product line, will it actually sell? I mean, people who engage in Facebook groups and do surveys with their email list would do that as well. I guess it’s just which of the

Michael F (01:07:28):
Chicken Breaks you want to take. Yeah, I think so too. And there’s no wrong answer. There’s just right for you at your business based on where you’re, the information that you have right now, you we’re sort of at the end of the chat, and so now my question is, no, let’s jump to the end. What will you do between today and next class? Oh, sorry, Kim, before I jump there, Kim, on your bestselling product, do you know if you need, or in general, do you need more page views or do you need more conversion?

Kim T (01:08:05):
I need more views.

Michael F (01:08:07):
Right. So then the follow up question is how do you get more views?

Kim T (01:08:12):
I think just having those different kind of channels, that’s where I wanted to do blogging next. Once I get a couple more products up,

Michael F (01:08:22):
I find it fascinating because we all say we need more page views and we’re all cranking out products, but the products aren’t leading to the page views that we want. So I guess at what point will that shift? At what point will we say, okay, creating products isn’t leading me to the page views I want,

Kim T (01:08:52):
And I

Michael F (01:08:52):
Don’t know the answer because I know for me, I need to figure out a system where I look at something once a month or once a quarter and figure out, yeah, okay, maybe I need to make email my priority, or here’s why I’m still not, or maybe I need to make VAs my priority, or here’s why I’m still not.

Andrea (01:09:09):
I think it might be getting to the stage where you have several things that do have that high conversion rate if you only have one product with a high conversion rate, it’s probably not worth your time marketing. But if you’ve got 15 products in your store with a 20 to 30% conversion rate already and it’s just the page views that are killing you, then the blog and email list, et cetera, might be the way. Well, What about

Kim T (01:09:43):
They have one thing if they just had the chicken sandwich on the menu, you wouldn’t just go to, for one thing, would want multiple things and then you could kind of branch out and market that. All those different products or No, I don’t know. Because if they just have chicken,

Michael F (01:10:05):
They’re going to do chicken really well. As opposed to sometimes if you go to an all you can eat buffet and they have a bunch of things on the menu, but the quality is not there. Yeah. And those are two, there’s nothing wrong with that. Right. It’s like Walmart, you can either sell for cheap or you like Apple where you sell one product for. They’re addressing different parts in the market. The resources that have the highest conversion rate for me are n do not make me money at all. They make me money, but not like

Kim T (01:10:39):
Same. Right.

Andrea (01:10:40):
Cause It’s digital downloads. If you just make the one chicken sandwich, you’re not going to be become well-known for chicken. People aren’t going to go, oh, I need such and such. Let’s see if Andrea has it. You’ve got to have enough things to, you have to have enough chicken options in your store to be well known as Expert of Chicken. I don’t think we’re at that stage.

Michael F (01:11:12):
What was it called? Bear?

Andrea (01:11:15):
Bear. Bearwood Labs.

Michael F (01:11:16):
Thanks. Okay. So how many products did they have? Oh no, sorry. Bearwood Labs. Oh, why is this so hard? They have 14 products, but they are the authority for what they do.

Kim T (01:11:36):
That’s true.

Michael F (01:11:38):
They don’t have 50 products, but they have another website. I also love their logo now that I look at it. Although the tail makes me wonder about poop, but that’s probably just me. Sorry. But see, this is why when I see stores like this, I don’t, but they also got in at the serve the niche, but they also have incredibly good high quality stuff that people are loving. So that’s why, And

Andrea (01:12:12):
I think more importantly, there aren’t many other stores. It, if he just had had 14 really good biology sub plans, I don’t think he’d be, yeah, even if they were fantastic, gorgeous sub plans, I don’t think he’d be making much money off those 14. And

Michael F (01:12:36):
You’re right. But I think part of that is we, we’ve gotten into this area where are you getting your customers from TPT or are you getting your customers because you are such a brand name and you’re driving traffic to your store. Right. I think at a certain point, people are just talking about Bear with labs. They find the person’s website, they try their free products, and then they’re buying the mechanism here. Right. But I could, let’s say in 10 years, I’m famous enough, I dunno, Gary Vanerchuk or people outside of the TPT cell, let’s say I have a TED Talk and I’m widely popular for that. And on my TED Talk I see, and you see, oh, here’s this person who’s talking about social emotional learning. And then teachers know that I sell my resources on TPT, then my brand drives that traffic. So I think there’s no way or wrong way about it.

Michael F (01:13:35):
And I think over time we decide what works for us that doesn’t. I think the danger is as if we do the burn and churn approach of being on the hamster wheel and cranking out the products, eventually that gets very tiring. And I think where people sort of give up on the, they have a store link. Oh, so smart. Sorry. Where I wonder at some point, because Page creating resources by itself doesn’t create followers, but it helps. But yeah, you’re right. No, yeah. I’m going around in. All right. Question to end on, what homework will you try to get done this week that will lead to new sales in your store?

Kim T (01:14:30):
Oh, go ahead. Sorry.

Andrea (01:14:33):
I work pretty high hard past week and I’m on holidays, so I’m going to have a real life and have no homework. Nice. If something happens, but my store will explicitly not be the goal for the next week.

Michael F (01:14:50):
That is fantastic.

Kim T (01:14:51):
Sounds Great. Yeah, and I hope you have a great week because you’ve got

Michael F (01:14:56):
To get back in the game in school in a week. So that’s an awesome plan. Kim, what are you going to do this week?

Kim T (01:15:08):
I am going to be hopefully getting that, finishing up that last product and then getting another product up. The tracing sheets.

Michael F (01:15:19):
Last time we chatted, you said that you were going to try to get four products for your circle time props. How many Props did you get? So,

Kim T (01:15:26):
Well, no, it’s back. I was trying to get four back to school products up. Oh,

Michael F (01:15:31):

Kim T (01:15:31):
Yeah, no, so I got the circle times one up circle time products up, and so I’m going to be working on the tracing sheets. On

Michael F (01:15:42):
The tracing sheets. All right.

Kim T (01:15:44):
Yeah. Probably I’ll to the next,

Michael F (01:15:47):
My TPT homework. I think what will lead to new sales is I have to change my end of year stuff language to back to school. The problem I have is I went on vacation a little while ago and I came back thinking, okay, I’m not going to actually create this stuff on my store. I’m going to create my lesson plans, obviously, but not do the other parts. I’m going to try to outsource that. So that means, I guess this week I’ve got to get a VA to update my TPT products. Okay. So next week ask me, Mike, did you get your back to school stuff language up, and did you do it yourself or did you find someone to do it for you?

Kim T (01:16:39):
I gotcha.

Michael F (01:16:40):
Okay. And that will be huge if I actually get it up, because that’s okay. I’m going to go do that right now. Thank you both. I’m sorry we ran on overtime, but thank you both for hanging out with me, Andrea. I hope you have a fantastic week. And Kim, good luck with, good luck with tracing.

Kim T (01:17:00):

Michael F (01:17:02):
All right. See you guys next week if you’re around. Bye.

Andrea (01:17:07):

Michael F (01:17:07):
Right, take care. Bye.